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Venna otsija

Runosong type in the classification of ERAB, the Estonian Folklore Archives’ runosong database

In English: Seeking a brother (a translation; the archive names the type in Estonian only)

Filed underLüroeepilised laulud (lyric-epic songs) › Müütilised laulud
Poems237
Verses11,796
Collection places67
Collected1840s to 1930s
CollectorsJoosep Hurt · Mihkel Leppik · Mihkel (Tori) Ostrov · Martin Luu · Jaak Kivisäk · Leena Kase (Kaur) · Oskar Philipp Kallas · Hans Lohk · Hans Siimer

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The archive’s description

Written by the editors of the ERAB type index and quoted as it stands, in Estonian.

VK VIII 3, VK IX 4, VK X 3, VK XI 3, ERlA 8; Läksin vendä otsimaie – VK II 301

8. Venna otsija: nimetatud ka «Uppunud vend». Populaarne laul (üle 200 teisendi noteeritud), tuntud üle maa, eriti põhjarannikul, Mulgimaal ja kagus. Vrd. 1886 («Vee võetud venda leinamas»), mis esineb sageli «Venna otsija» konstitutiivse lõpuna. Mõnikord on sisuks mitte venna, vaid neiu otsimine. Liitub lauludega: 1056 («Neiu linn») ja 953 («Vend sepaks»). On kasutatud ka mängulauluna (vt. tekst 25). Vt. ER I, 201—294; O. Kallas, Wiederholungslieder, 391 jj,; M. Kuusi, Laivassa surmattu veli. KsVk 46, 168—195.

Where it was collected

Collection places of the poems, with the number of poems of this type from each. A place may be where the song was written down or where the singer came from.

…and 7 more places

When it was collected

DecadePoems
1840s2
1860s4
1870s25
1880s60
1890s82
1900s14
1910s10
1920s17
1930s10
year not recorded13

Example poems

The opening verse of one poem from each of the ten places with the most poems of this type: the first such poem in the archive’s order. Each links to the whole poem. A poem can be filed under several types, so its opening verse may belong to another song.

Other types the same poems are filed under

The archive can file one poem under several types. These are the types most often given to poems of this type, with the number of poems they share.

TypePoems in common
Uppunud vend63
Venna otsimine52
Sepp5
Suur tamm4
Uppund vend4
3 venda4
Vend ostab ehteid3
Oleks see mees minu!3
Salme3
Tähemõrsja3
Kalajõgi3
Õllest saar3

Content-based similar types

Several methods each rank the song types whose poems resemble this type's poems; the combined ranking merges their lists. The first 20 are listed here.

  1. Vend ostab ehteid (Brother Buys Jewelry)
  2. Vend otsib ehteid (Brother seeks jewelry)
  3. Haned kadunud (The lost geese)
  4. Vend vahetab hõbedat (Brother exchanges silver)
  5. Vend hõbedat vahetamas (Brother Exchanging Silver)
  6. Rooste (Rust)
  7. Vend ostab (Brother buys)
  8. Poiss sõitmas, vana naine küsimas (A boy out riding, an old woman asking)
  9. Pruudiotsija (Bride Seeker)
  10. Vend veehädas (Brother in water peril)
  11. Venna hoidja (Brother's Guardian)
  12. Saar, jõgi (Island and river)
  13. Tänulik lind (The grateful bird)
  14. Tige mees (Mean husband)
  15. Uba ja hernes (Bean and pea)
  16. Kuukene, päevakene (Little moon, little sun)
  17. Vend uppunud (Brother Drowned)
  18. Ära joo jõevett (Don't drink river water)
  19. Veevõetud venda leinamas (Mourning a brother taken by water)
  20. Viru sepp (Virumaa blacksmith)

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Sources: the type’s name, filing and description come from the type index of ERAB, the Estonian Folklore Archives’ runosong database; the counts, places, decades and collectors are counted from the poems on RunoVerse.